
The Grow or Go podcast talks about Surfing the Sigmoid Curve. Or in other words: how everything, and everyone will experience inception, growth, maturity, and finally decline. But how do businesses, products, or people continue to grow both personally and professionally?
Hosted by Chris Jones, CEO, and co-owner of the largest business brokerage firm in the US, and Matt Silasiri, VP of Business Development.
Chris and Matt interview founders, business owners, professionals, and growth-minded individuals who have found success. And they share how they made it happen.
Latest Episode

Unleashing Your Business Warrior
There are Business WARRIORS and Business WORKERS. Which one are you? Spoiler: companies with Business WARRIORS blast through their ceilings of success, while the opposition stays stagnant.
Chris and Matt interview Erik Therwanger, the founder of Think GREAT. Erik draws from his experiences as a U.S. Marine, executive business leader, sales professional, and entrepreneur to help organizations achieve new levels of success. He uniquely combines leadership development, team building, sales training, and goal setting into strategies and techniques that empower team members and leaders to exceed expectations.
More Episodes
Ever wondered why you fell off the wagon after months or years of hard work? It’s not a straight forward answer, but there are some tell tale signs as to why this happens.
Chris and Matt dig deep with Leary Gates, who is an expert advisor that helps business owners scale their business to transform their world.
For owners of childcare businesses, or anyone curious about the industry, this one’s for you! Take a deep dive into Mike Minor’s story on how he navigated owning and successfully exiting a generational, multi-location childcare business.
When’s the best time to sell your lower-middle-market company and how do you even do it? Chris and Matt interview Dan Sundin; a husband, father, dog lover, and tech nerd who started, grew, and sold his successful technology company.
What is the sigmoid curve and why is it so relevant to business owners? Chris interviews Randy Krivo, owner of 4 businesses, and now one of the top business brokers in the country.
For most of his professional career, Randy has started, built, and sold multiple businesses. Now, he focuses on helping business owners exit and maximize their life’s work. Being in the brokerage and M&A space for 10 years with Sunbelt Business Advisors of Minnesota, and True North Mergers & Acquisitions, Randy has proven himself as an expert, trusted advisor, and shares his growth story of how he’s gotten to where he is now.
Meet Your Hosts

Mr. Jones is CEO of one of the largest U.S. offices of Business Brokers and M&A Advisors. Experience in hundreds of transactions including: Consumer Products, Manufacturing of Industrial Products, Contract Manufacturing, Outdoor Products, Fishing Tackle Industry, E-Commerce, Digital Marketing, Distribution, Business-to-Business (B2B) Services, IT Services/Managed Services, and Software as a Service (SaaS).
Sell-side and Buy-side advisory expertise. Regularly invited to speak at the International Business Broker Association (IBBA) national conferences. Prior to Sunbelt worked in strategic acquisitions for a Fortune 200 private company.

Meet Matt Silasiri, our esteemed Vice President of Business Development at Sunbelt Business Advisors and True North Mergers & Acquisitions. Matt joined our dynamic team in 2021, initially taking on the responsibilities of a Business Development Executive and later excelling as the Business Development Team Lead, and Marketing and Business Development Manager.
With a remarkable track record, Matt has successfully sourced over $100 million in listings, showcasing his expertise in the field. His primary focus lies in educating business owners on strategic exit paths, recognizing that an exit is not merely a transaction but a significant life transition.