
The Grow or Go podcast talks about Surfing the Sigmoid Curve. Or in other words: how everything, and everyone will experience inception, growth, maturity, and finally decline. But how do businesses, products, or people continue to grow both personally and professionally?
Hosted by Chris Jones, CEO, and co-owner of the largest business brokerage firm in the US, and Matt Silasiri, VP of Business Development.
Chris and Matt interview founders, business owners, professionals, and growth-minded individuals who have found success. And they share how they made it happen.
Latest Episode
Ep. 9 We Wish Every Business Owner Knew This with Matt Silasiri
You want to sell your business to your employee who’s been with you from the start. You’ve been planning on your eldest kid to succeed you when you are ready to get out. Time comes and guess what….? Things likely don’t go as planned. Why? Tune in.
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Ep. 8 Why Servant-Led Companies Outperform Their Competitors with Andrew Leikvoll
Servant leadership is a vastly growing practice. Even if you haven’t heard of it, you can easily tell the difference between a self-serving leader, and a servant leader.
Join us as we explore the transformative power of servant leadership with Andrew Leikvoll. Discover how this approach builds high-performing teams, debunks myths of being “soft,” and drives significant performance improvements. Learn why servant leadership is crucial for sustainable success and how it can positively impact your organization and community.
Ep. 7 Global Tech Consultant turns Chicken Sandwich Entrepreneur with Alex Wilson
Ever wondered what it’s like to own a Chick-fil-A restaurant? Join us as we sit down with Alex Wilson, a devoted husband, father, and faith-driven entrepreneur. Alex’s journey began as a global tech consultant, but he found his true calling in operating two Chick-fil-A restaurants alongside his wife. Hear how he integrates his faith into business and family life, balancing success with spiritual values. Discover the inspiring story of how Alex transitioned from the tech world to building a community-driven business that reflects his values.
Ep.6 From Startup to Scale-Up: The $60M E-Commerce Ride with Dan Carey
Starting in an apartment closet and selling car parts, Dan Carey brings us through his story of how he dominated the e-commerce automotive parts space.
After scaling the startup, Modern Automotive Performance to $10M in revenue, Dan and his brother implemented the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) after hitting a plateau. This was as key change in his entrepreneurial journey that started his new S curve – resulting in growth to $60M in revenue, and successfully exiting.
Ep. 5 Unleashing You Business Warrior with Erik Therwanger
There are Business WARRIORS and Business WORKERS. Which one are you? Spoiler: companies with Business WARRIORS blast through their ceilings of success, while the opposition stays stagnant.
Chris and Matt interview Erik Therwanger, the founder of Think GREAT. Erik draws from his experiences as a U.S. Marine, executive business leader, sales professional, and entrepreneur to help organizations achieve new levels of success. He uniquely combines leadership development, team building, sales training, and goal setting into strategies and techniques that empower team members and leaders to exceed expectations.
Ep. 4 Why Continuous Improvement Often Fails with Leary Gates
Ever wondered why you fell off the wagon after months or years of hard work? It’s not a straight forward answer, but there are some tell tale signs as to why this happens.
Chris and Matt dig deep with Leary Gates, who is an expert advisor that helps business owners scale their business to transform their world.
Ep. 3 How to Value a Childcare Business with Mike Minor
For owners of childcare businesses, or anyone curious about the industry, this one’s for you! Take a deep dive into Mike Minor’s story on how he navigated owning and successfully exiting a generational, multi-location childcare business.
Ep. 2 From Employee to Entrepreneur to Big Exit with Dan Sundin
When’s the best time to sell your lower-middle-market company and how do you even do it? Chris and Matt interview Dan Sundin; a husband, father, dog lover, and tech nerd who started, grew, and sold his successful technology company.
Ep. 1 The Business Owners Sigmoid Curve with Randy Krivo
What is the sigmoid curve and why is it so relevant to business owners? Chris interviews Randy Krivo, owner of 4 businesses, and now one of the top business brokers in the country.
For most of his professional career, Randy has started, built, and sold multiple businesses. Now, he focuses on helping business owners exit and maximize their life’s work. Being in the brokerage and M&A space for 10 years with Sunbelt Business Advisors of Minnesota, and True North Mergers & Acquisitions, Randy has proven himself as an expert, trusted advisor, and shares his growth story of how he’s gotten to where he is now.
Meet Your Hosts

Mr. Jones is CEO of one of the largest U.S. offices of Business Brokers and M&A Advisors. Experience in hundreds of transactions including: Consumer Products, Manufacturing of Industrial Products, Contract Manufacturing, Outdoor Products, Fishing Tackle Industry, E-Commerce, Digital Marketing, Distribution, Business-to-Business (B2B) Services, IT Services/Managed Services, and Software as a Service (SaaS).
Sell-side and Buy-side advisory expertise. Regularly invited to speak at the International Business Broker Association (IBBA) national conferences. Prior to Sunbelt worked in strategic acquisitions for a Fortune 200 private company.

Meet Matt Silasiri, our esteemed Vice President of Business Development at Sunbelt Business Advisors and True North Mergers & Acquisitions. Matt joined our dynamic team in 2021, initially taking on the responsibilities of a Business Development Executive and later excelling as the Business Development Team Lead, and Marketing and Business Development Manager.
With a remarkable track record, Matt has successfully sourced over $100 million in listings, showcasing his expertise in the field. His primary focus lies in educating business owners on strategic exit paths, recognizing that an exit is not merely a transaction but a significant life transition.